The Messiah vs The Christ Part 2

B"H

(Bezrat HaShem)

This teaching is not meant to destroy someone's faith in Yeshua, but to show a perspective of a messiah more inline with traditional Judaism...

There is only one place in the Torah the speaks of having a king over Israel..

Deuteronomy 17:14-20

14. When you come to the land the Lord, your God, is giving you, and you possess it and live therein, and you say, "I will set a king over myself, like all the nations around me,"

15. you shall set a king over you, one whom the Lord, your God, chooses; from among your brothers, you shall set a king over yourself; you shall not appoint a foreigner over yourself, one who is not your brother. 16.Only, he may not acquire many horses for himself, so that he will not bring the people back to Egypt in order to acquire many horses, for the Lord said to you, "You shall not return that way any more." 17.And he shall not take many wives for himself, and his heart must not turn away, and he shall not acquire much silver and gold for himself. 18.And it will be, when he sits upon his royal throne, that he shall write for himself two copies of this Torah on a scroll from [that Torah which is] before the Levitic kohanim. 19.And it shall be with him, and he shall read it all the days of his life, so that he may learn to fear the Lord, his God, to keep all the words of this Torah and these statutes, to perform them, 20. so that his heart will not be haughty over his brothers, and so that he will not turn away from the commandment, either to the right or to the left, in order that he may prolong [his] days in his kingdom, he and his sons, among Israel.

This is a very small section in the Torah, so the belief whom is or could be King of the Jews is opinion...

As we taught in these lessions:

https://www.shtiebelonthehill.org/the-meeting-ground

If it’s Yeshua, what about the Lubavitch, Rebbe Nachman, even the Bobover, and various other Hasidic Dynasties, which are “kingdoms” and each one of their Rebbe is looked at as a Mochiach...

Why is this important there is no Meseches (Tractate) Moshiach in the Talmud...

So Yeshua or ANYONE being or not being a or the Messiah only your opinion...

https://www.shtiebelonthehill.org/there-is-three-of-them-hrmr-vs-messianic-noun-vs-messianic-adjective

Judaism is Torah and Halacha (Rabbinic Law)

The differences are who the individual believes the messiah to be.

We accept all Jews perspective Jews who follow Torah and Rabbinic Law.

No matter what Messiah they follow.

As long as they are good moral, follow Torah (written and oral), upstanding people or want to become that way.

If they Follow Rebbe Nachman great, if they follow Rebbe Schneerson great, if they follow Yeshua great...

So all later ideas of Messiah post the Torah are Rabbinic in nature...

To clear this up for Hebrew Rooters, Chrisitians, and Messianic whom don't know this:

The Bible. The NaKh: the books outside the Torah:

The Eight Books of the Prophets (Neviim)

The Twelve (minor prophets)

Trei-AssarThe Eleven Books of the Writings (Kesuvim)

Psalms – Tehilim

Proverbs – Mishlei

Job – Iyov

Song of Songs – Shir HaShirim

Ruth – Rus

Lamentations – Eicha

Ecclesiastes – Koheles

Esther

Daniel – Doniel

Ezra/Nehemia
Chronicles – Divrei Hayamim

are Rabbinic and canonized by the Rabbis

So the ideas of a messiah being spoken about in Isaiah is Rabbinic and later Rabbinic interpetion of these works....

We will explore some of these concepts today...

1. Preparation for Redemption

· Source: Kol HaTor , attributed to Rabbi Hillel of Shklov, a student of the Vilna Gaon. This text outlines that Mashiach ben Yosef's role is to prepare the world for Mashiach ben David by setting up the physical and spiritual groundwork for the final redemption.

2. Rebuilding Jerusalem and the Temple

· Source: Kol HaTor explains that Mashiach ben Yosef will take the initiative in rebuilding Jerusalem, focusing on its physical and defensive infrastructure, which is a precursor to the ultimate construction of the Third Temple.

· Additional Source: Talmud Bavli, Sukkah52a alludes to Mashiach ben Yosef’s involvement in preparing for the final stages of redemption, although it doesn’t explicitly mention the rebuilding of the Temple, but the defense of Israel.

3. Military Leadership and Defending Israel

· Source: Talmud Bavli, Sukkah52a explicitly discusses Mashiach ben Yosef in the context of the apocalyptic war, Milchemet Gog uMagog. He is portrayed as a military leader who defends Israel from its enemies.

4. Gathering of the Exiles

· Source: Kol HaTor focuses on the role of Mashiach ben Yosef in the kibbutz galuyot, gathering the Jewish exiles from around the world. He will bring them back to the Land of Israel, a process that begins with his leadership.

· Additional Source: Rabbi Saadia Gaon’s Emunot v'Deot speaks of the role of Mashiach ben Yosef in returning the Jewish people to their land.

5. His Death and Martyrdom

· Source: Talmud Bavli, Sukkah52a famously states that Mashiach ben Yosef will be killed in battle during the War of Gog and Magog. His death will be followed by a period of great mourning among the Jewish people, which precedes the final redemption by Mashiach ben David.

6. End of Suffering

· Source: Zohar mentions that Mashiach ben Yosef’s mission will alleviate the suffering of the Jewish people and bring them closer to redemption. His actions pave the way for the complete end of the exile under Mashiach ben David.

· Additional Source: Kol HaTor speaks of the lessening of hardships during the time of Mashiach ben Yosef.

7. Rectification of the Division between Joseph and Judah

· Source: Yechezkel (Ezekiel) 37:19 discusses the prophecy of the "stick of Joseph" and the "stick of Judah" being joined together, which many commentators interpret as symbolizing the reunification of the Jewish people under Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach ben David.

· Additional Source: Kol HaTor emphasizes the role of Mashiach ben Yosef in uniting the different factions of Israel (the descendants of Joseph and Judah), which is both a physical and spiritual unification.

Key Tasks and Accomplishments of Mashiach ben David:

1. Inaugurating the Messianic Era and World Peace

Mashiach ben David will usher in an era of universal peace, ending all warfare and conflict. His rule will be characterized by justice, righteousness, and knowledge of G-d spreading throughout the world.

Source:

Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 2:4: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore."
Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim uMilchamot (Laws of Kings and Wars), Chapter 11, where Rambam explains that Mashiach will bring peace, and all nations will seek his wisdom.

2. Rebuilding the Third Temple (Beit HaMikdash)

One of Mashiach ben David’s key roles is rebuilding the Beit HaMikdash in Jerusalem, restoring the center of Jewish worship and the Avodah(Temple service).

Source:

Yechezkel (Ezekiel) Chapters 40-48, provides a detailed vision of the Third Temple.
Talmud Bavli, Sanhedrin 20b, indicates that Mashiach will rebuild the Temple.
Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim uMilchamot, Chapter 11, Rambam emphasizes that Mashiach will rebuild the Temple in its place.

3. Gathering the Jewish Exiles (Kibbutz Galuyot)

Mashiach ben David will gather the Jewish people from all corners of the earth, ending the exile and restoring the nation to its homeland in Eretz Yisrael.

Source:

Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 11:12: "He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; He will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
Talmud Bavli, Megillah 17b, and Sanhedrin 110b, which discuss the gathering of the exiles as a key function of the Messiah.
Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim uMilchamot, Chapter 11, Rambam states that one of the primary roles of the Mashiach is to gather the Jewish exiles.

4. Restoring the Davidic Monarchy

Mashiach ben David will re-establish the Davidic dynasty and restore the monarchy of Israel, ruling as a king in accordance with Jewish law, through justice and Torah wisdom.

Source:

Yirmiyahu (Jeremiah) 23:5-6: "Behold, days are coming... when I will raise up for David a righteous branch, and he will reign as king and prosper and will execute justice and righteousness in the land."
Yechezkel (Ezekiel) 37:24: "My servant David will be king over them."
Talmud Bavli, Sanhedrin 98a, states that the Messiah will come from the line of David and restore the monarchy.
Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim uMilchamot, Chapter 11, Rambam affirms that Mashiach will restore the Davidic kingdom.

5. Restoring the Sanhedrin and Full Torah Observance

Mashiach ben David will restore the Sanhedrin, the ancient Jewish court system, and will oversee the establishment of Torah law in full. He will ensure that all Jews observe the commandments properly.

Source:

Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 11:2-3: "The spirit of the Lord will rest upon him... and he will judge with righteousness."
Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim uMilchamot, Chapter 11, Rambam states that Mashiach will restore the observance of all laws, including the institution of the Sanhedrin.

6. Bringing Knowledge of G-d to the Whole World

Under Mashiach ben David’s rule, the knowledge of G-d will spread to all humanity, with everyone recognizing and serving G-d. This is seen as the culmination of Jewish monotheistic vision for the world.

Source:

Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 11:9: "For the earth will be full of the knowledge of G-d as the waters cover the sea."
Zephaniah 3:9: "For then I will change the peoples to a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of G-d to serve Him with one consent."
Talmud Bavli, Berachot 34b, discusses the universal acknowledgment of G-d in messianic times.

7. Resurrection of the Dead (Techiyat HaMeitim)

According to many sources, Mashiach ben David will also be involved in the resurrection of the dead, which will occur during or after the messianic era. This event marks the renewal of life and the eternal connection between the Jewish people and G-d.

Source:

Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 26:19: "Your dead will live; their bodies will rise."
Talmud Bavli, Sanhedrin 91b, discusses the resurrection of the dead as a key part of the future redemption.
Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Teshuva (Laws of Repentance), Chapter 8, Rambam includes the resurrection of the dead as one of the fundamental beliefs in the messianic era.

8. Restoring Justice and Righteousness

Mashiach ben David will be a righteous judge, bringing justice to the world. He will rectify all wrongs and rule with unparalleled wisdom, ensuring a world based on truth and morality.

Source:

Yeshayahu (Isaiah) 11:3-4: "And he will not judge by what his eyes see... but with righteousness, he will judge the needy, with justice, he will give decisions for the poor of the earth."
Talmud Bavli, Sanhedrin 98a, references the wisdom of the Messiah in judging and ruling righteously.

Classical Talmudic references of a messiah or messianic times:

Sanhedrin 94a-99a, 110a:

Sukkah 52a:

Shabbat 118a:

Pesachim 88a-89a:

Berachot 34b:

Yoma 5b:

Megillah 17b:

Makkot 24b:

Bava Batra 75b: .

Chagigah 12b:

Taanit 30b:

Ketubot 111a:

If you look though these places in Rabbinic text you will see classic messianic "scriptures" referenced.

The concept is whatever messiah you follow has to fulfill these areas in rabbinic writ or you have to be able to prove they did and/or will.

This is what Rav Mathis Friedman meant by stating, so and so will be the Messiah. In reference to a person who believes in a messiah that is not phyically walking on this planet.

Many Jewish men have fulfilled alot of these "requirements" in many groups own eyes. None of these groups should be discounted as unauthentic speaking for follower of Yeshua nor these figures should be called "anti-christ" speaking for a Jews who follower their teacher as messiah.

One thing we should understand that if a "Messiah" is Lawless like Jacob Frank, Sabbatai Tzvi, or the Anti-Torah likeness of Yeshua (Jesus)...This seems to point to a "false-messiah"

This is why in my humble opinion its better to say Yeshua oppose to Jesus...When Jesus is mentioned people think of someone whom separated himself from Judaism; not the individual whom continues to embrace ALL Judaism as Yeshua does...

In closing:

This teaching is not meant to challenge or undermine anyone's faith. Rather, it aims to provide a perspective that is more closely aligned with traditional Judaism, where the understanding of the Messiah is deeply rooted in Torah and Rabbinic interpretation. In the Torah, Deuteronomy 17:14-20 offers the only direct mention of kingship, outlining a model of leadership centered on humility, Torah observance, and service to the people. This forms the basis of Jewish expectations of leadership and ultimately, the Messiah.

Jewish tradition views the concept of the Messiah as evolving over time, shaped by centuries of Rabbinic discourse and scripture. From the Prophets to the Talmud, messianic ideas have developed, but there is no specific tractate in the Talmud dedicated solely to the Messiah. This reflects that the notion of who the Messiah is remains open to interpretation. Different Jewish communities have embraced various figures as potential messiahs—be it Yeshua, Rebbe Nachman, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, or any messianic candiate each group finding messianic qualities in their chosen leaders, and we have to fair and accept all of them as long as they are dedicated to Torah and Halacha (Rabbinic Law)...

Deuteronomy’s guidelines for a king remind us that the Messiah, much like any leader in Israel, must be chosen by G-d and must live by the Torah. The king’s duty is not to amass wealth or power but to uphold justice and keep the Torah close at heart. In the same way, any messianic figure in Jewish tradition must align with these values of Torah and mitzvot. Whether one sees an individual as the Messiah, the ultimate measure is whether that figure encourages a life of Torah observance and humility.

At the core of Judaism is not the identity of the Messiah but the commitment to live according to G-d’s commandments. A messiah who deviates from Torah or leads others away from it does not fit the traditional Biblical and Jewish framework of The Messiah. What unites the Jewish people, regardless of differing messianic beliefs, is the shared dedication to Torah and Halacha. It is this commitment that has sustained Jewish faith and identity through the generations, not the pursuit of a particular messianic figure which is a goodthing.

In this sense, the discussion of the Messiah becomes less about any one person and more about what that person represents—a life devoted to G-d, Torah, and the betterment of the world. The diversity of beliefs around the Messiah should not divide Jews but serve as a reminder of the rich tapestry of Jewish thought. As long as Torah observance, ethical living, and the pursuit of righteousness are at the center of one's life, the path to redemption remains the same.

In conclusion, regardless of which messianic figure one follows, the true focus of Judaism is on living a life in accordance with G-d’s will as expressed through the Torah and mitzvot. This teaching is an invitation to appreciate the unity within the diversity of Jewish messianic beliefs. The ultimate goal is to build a world of justice, peace, and divine wisdom, where all people come closer to G-d and live by the eternal values of Torah